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Larry,Though Kevin has done the domain intdsury a great service with this website, I can attest to the fact that not all of the names are spammers. I sent Kevin an individual, customized email offer for a domain name I was offering (an email with one recipient and custom text) and it was incorrectly marked as spam. It also contained my real name (as is the only way to do business) and my actual phone number (again, the only way to do business).I have tried to get in touch with Kevin to amend the listing, but I have not had any luck. I wish he would apply more critical standards to listing names on his site. If people are not allowed to send custom emails to sell domains without fear of being listed among big-time spammers who often use programs to send large volumes of completely untargeted emails, such a hindrance would stifle the trade of aftermarket domains and negatively impact the entire aftermarket.Kevin has done the domain intdsury a good service by making this resource available; I just wish it was a little more precise.Best,Luke

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something about lawsuit for dimafateon, because ite2€™s not even worth the time and smart people will not see you as an expert just because you claim to be one.Or, maybe you just lied AGAIN.Some were operated under different domains because their original domains expired or were sold separately, so a new domain was registered to sell them as a site instead of just a template.Why would you let profitable PPC sites just expire? WEIRD! But, in PM I suggest that your PPC sites are the same, just re-branded under a different domain name. You deny this but here you admit that they are templates that can simply be changed to match a new domain. So, these are not new sites they are old sites on a new domain? Can you provide me with the matching old sites for each new one? Let me guess you will say something like it is not worth your time and fail to provide clear evidence to backup your claims.But just for the sake of the argument, lets say it was a lie and I did produce new sites, then what ? how selling them and offering a refund to buyers is a scam ?Then, when you said in your email that you have never misrepresented your sites or lied, you have again lied.You said you never saw a ppc working and making money, you base your scam accusation in what you see and do not see. So are you saying that all the PPC sites out there that still function for many many years are not making money for their owners ?Sure, there are PPC companies that make money, but that is not what I am suggesting. I have never seen one of these pop-up PPC's do anything. But supply me with some of your clients who are and the case will be closed. Also, supply me with the PPC you were making $50k annually with as you claim.2. I did not attacked your religion. You brought the religion into it yourself, ite2€™s you who told me in your Flippa PM that you will pray for me and you were disrespectful at the same time.If you bring your religion into it and do things against your religione2€™s teaching, you should not be surprised someone will bring it up to show you are a hypocrite.You fail to show the true scope of the PMs. Want me to post them here? I did not attack you and was not disrespectful, you just didn't like my message. Also, you fail to mention that I offered to help you free of charge did I not?Lastly, even if I failed to live up to the expectations of my Christian faith (which I do often), it does not make me a hypocrite. Christians are not perfect in fact we know that we are sinners which is why Christ was given by God to die for our sins.Now you using e2€œyou lied, so I wone2€™t engage furthere2€9d just an excuse to avoid responding to what I said and my questions. What a convenient way to avoid answering inconvenient questions and addressing valid arguments.I am addressing them now, but really only because you have posed this argument. If someone is not reliable then there is no purpose in engaging them. Since, to me, you had already shown yourself to be untrustworthy, there was no need to fire a long-winded response.Interesting is that you accuse a lot of people of scam, but your friend who posted testimonials for you is involved in MLM, the type of business that scammed more people then any other type of business.Hey, something we agree on!! I hate MLM and you can ask Lee or anyone else I have advised on what I have told them when they asked for help on MLM I bet you would be shocked at the answer. I have been posturing against MLM for a long time. So, what is your problem that he thanked me?Interesting is that you ask for donations. If you are such an expert as you claim to be, if you know everything about every online business, you should be a millionaire now and you should be the one to give donations, not the one to ask for it.I give donations all the time, am a Youth Group leader, build and operate non-profit websites FOR FREE, am on the board of several non-profit organizations In fact, the REASON the donation wall exists is because people have WANTED to give me something because they're unsure how else to express their gratitude for all the work I do for them FREE OF CHARGE. I don't ask for donations on my site (if so it is an error, show me WHERE I do this). I simply have a spot for it and say they CAN.You even consider selling autoblogs a scam, but there are people that I know personally who make $10,000.Just because you done2€™t like something, you have different opinion about something, you call it a scam.Read my article on in and then comment. You may have friends that make $10,000 (whatever that means), but it is not only about YOU and YOUR FRIENDS. Read my article and you will understand that.You failed at your site sale, you asked $30,000 for your site, valued it a $65000, it sold for $1000.So no wonder you are angry now and decided for a mission to make a scammers out of every flippa seller because their sites sell for more then your AUTOPILOT FINALLY GENUINE site.Your site title was: e2€œFINALLY a GENUINEe2€9dso in advance you basically accuse EVERYONE of being a scammer except you. Only you can bring to people finally something genuine.You are being ridiculous Chris. Trigger happy self proclaimed scam hunter.But I understand you have to be to develop this site.Why do I have to develop this site???..Most people, far from just me, agree that Flippa has many scams. But, of course, you admit this in your email to me.You done2€™t have any valid arguments against me, you are just trying to produce them by twisting the facts.Well, then my (very few) readers will read my posts about you and realize that.You have too much interest in accusing people of scam, ite2€™s your business, so ite2€™s obvious you done2€™t want the truth and facts. I could be wrong, but it looks like it to me. You would look like a fool now if you admitted you were wrong. So I understand you will keep making a scammer out of me and twisting the facts to achieve this.Maybe it will help you sell your $30,000 sites for more then $1000 when you convince people every other type of site is a scam, and only your is real and genuine.Really, what is my business model? This is my business? Admitted I was wrong about what? I sold my site for what people determined what it was worth. Fairly and honestly People determined the worth to be $1000 and that was the winning bid. But, IRONICALLY, while you claim a money back guarantee (and I am sure you mean it) and suggest I offered no such claim I BOUGHT THE SITE BACK! And, NO, not because the buyer didn't want the site and not because he didn't feel it was worth every penny he paid for it It is because we talked and I didn't feel he was at the point in his e-business career where he could take the site to the next level.I understand you need content for this blog to build yourself a reputation of an authority of the internet and make people think you are an expert. to satisfy your ego.Wow, glad you understand that. So are you suggesting that I am not an expert? Are you one?I wone2€™t be there, but still you can contact me if you want, I can teach you how to be successful on the internet in a honest way, without insulting people, but with a real business, in a short time you will be able to give donations , instead of asking for them Ok, great I am publicly taking you up on this offer and I will gladly chronicle your workings with me here. And, again, where do I ASK for donations?I didn't even know my friend had an MLM? Does he? He just has a BLOG about MLMs. Which, again, I wouldn't even discuss with him and, YES, I told him I thought he should pack up. I think he sells some kind of MLM leads whatever that is! lolChris, you cane2€™t win with me when using logic and facts.. I have the facts and the truth on my side. My successful record of running ppc sites network and perfect feedback record when offering my sites. Buyers never lose any money with me, if they decide it doesne2€™t work for them they know I will give them refund just as I offered in my auction ad.Win what? Is there a contest I was unaware of? Cool! What is the prize? Buyers never lose any money with you? That is strange because I have had buyers of yours contact me and say they have not made any money and, since they paid you, they have lost money. Remember, this site is full of my opinions, not facts.e2€9dOK, thanks for adding it. That allows you to say wherever you want and accuse anyone of a scam.The question is, why would anyone take your opinion seriously?I didn't add it, it was here from the beginning However, your (public) promise to refund your customers if they were unhappy only came AFTER we talked as far as I can see.But, they do not need to take me seriously. This is the internet I flat out SAY not to give me anymore weight than you give to others. I just post my opinions on things. And, if you're honest, many of the sites I have claimed to be scams on here have later been proven to be such. This does not, of course, mean I am always correct. I am human and prone to error and can be wrong, just like everyone else. And I have been wrong before!Your testimonials are by your friends from Multi Level Marketing business.Really, I only saw one from someone who was involved in MLM and he actually doesn't have an MLM business.You ask for donations, you done2€™t have enough money being such an expert ?I don't ask for donations. What do you consider to be enough money? And, actually, DONATING A LARGE PORTION OF YOUR INCOME, and offering FREE services to people on the web doesn't pay very well. It does appear selling PPCs on Flippa does though! But, that being said, I am plenty content in the amount of money I have.You try to sell a site for $30,000, tell people ite2€™s worth $65000+ and end up with $1000. You cane2€™t even get the realistic value of your site correctly. Probably according to you they are all fools who done2€™t know what they missed, your one and one genuine site that is not a scam.No, the buyer and I have become close. In fact, he was so impressed with what I have done for him he had me do some work for his MOTHER And they were again so impressed (with the PROFITS they were making) that yesterday I got off the phone with her HUSBAND.I will keep prying for you. You are a child of the Lord and I am called to love you. I want the best for you and for your family. In fact, I would like to propose this Let's chat not on here Either on phone or IM and talk to each other with an open and loving heart. I bet we can quickly become friends! So, why don't you take me up on my offer? If I am anything but kind and graceful with you (although we may disagree on some points) you can call me out here as a liar and it will get posted. I would love to talk to you without the anger we share in this debate. So, let's chat! If you're interested let me know and I will provide you with phone number and IM contacts for me.Looking back over my comments I do also want to APOLOGIZE. Not for saying that I believe your PPC sites to have no value and to be misrepresented. But, I do apologize for not being as gentile as I should be. I am called to live my life as Jesus lived his. And, although I believe that Jesus made people aware when they were doing wrong, he did it in a loving way which clearly I have not done. But I am a work-in-progress. Far from carrying the grace of our amazing Redeemer. That is/was WRONG OF ME. I ask your forgiveness for that and hope you can forgive me. I do hope to chat with you soon.

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Russian Online Marriage Fraud Is Booming Online marriage fraud is booming among the young ladies of the Russian city of Barnaul, situated in southern Siberia, the National News Agency reported. Hundreds of girls of different professions communicate with foreigners (predominantly American men) online on a daily basis. Ladies of different occupations — reporters and students, nurses and real estate agents — pose as “Cinderellas” in exchange for money they receive from kind-hearted men. The girls give painful descriptions of their “hardships” and then ask for money. According to the National News Agency, foreign men are especially sensitive to such girls’ legends as “My parents are unemployed, and we are starving,” “I am a victim of domestic violence,” “My mother is a drunkard,” “My house burned down,” and “Chechens kidnapped my brother and demand a ransom.” The National News Agency wrote that the girls conduct meetings once a week and compete with one another in terms of the amount of money raised from men. At their weekly meetings, the girls read each other the most touching passages from their correspondence, and together brainstorm new tales for their future letters. The girls involve their friends in this fraud scheme by selling them the addresses of the relevant Web sites, along with recommendations on how to write the letters that will touch foreigners deeply and not raise suspicions. When newcomers begin receiving money from abroad, they are required to share 20 percent of their online earnings with the girls who got them in the business. If she doesn’t want to share the money, her senior “fellow-businessmen” write to the foreign men, calling her a crook. After this, foreigners stop sending her money. One of the girls, 25-year-old Svetlana says that at one point of her life she realized she could profit from the myths foreigners have about Russia. “They think that Russia is all about criminals and beggars.” Svetlana makes the men feel sorry for the beautiful girl living under such “gloomy” circumstances. The feeling of sorrow is transformed into remittances for Svetlana. Svetlana is not conscience-stricken about this. On the contrary, she claims she is doing a good thing for foreign men by teaching them to be kind, considerate and human. “We make them feel confident, we say they are the best. In this way, they get rid of their inferiority complex. I should have charged them more for doing this job!” Not only ladies do such things in Russia, but also some men. A man from Chelyabinsk, an engineer by profession, posed as a girl for dozens of foreign men with whom he had correspondence for five years. When their correspondence turned into “friendship,” the “girl” said she wanted to visit the foreigner, but was short of money. The foreign man sent the money (the swindler hired female students to receive the money), and then the correspondence was stopped. Most men who were cheated, have reconciled themselves to this fact, but one Australian appealed to President Putin’s administration. The authorities initiated a police investigation, and the swindler was detected and sentenced. However, the verdict for him was not that strict — one year of imprisonment. The man was released in the courtroom as he had already spent one year in prison during the investigation. He had managed to make $100,000 in five years. However, ladies are more inclined to start correspondence with foreigners for shady purposes. The motive for such conduct is described very well in Waytorussia.net’s questions and answers section (www.waytorussia.net/WhatIsRussia/ MythsAndTruth.html). A comment from June 2002 answers the question of whether “Russian girls are quite different from others.” The author says, “Yes, they seem to be, if you mean being different from women in Europe or in the U.S. … They seem to be planning their life less than Western people, but nevertheless are very pragmatic. Many foreigners I talked to say that Russian women want to live ‘here and now’ rather than planning something long-term. However, this ‘here and now’ should be good quality too, so that’s where they are pragmatic.” Luckily for foreign men, they have some tools to safeguard themselves from some “overly pragmatic” girls. One such tool is a blacklist of Russian women at Russian Brides Cyber Guide’s Web site (www.womenrussia.com/blacklist_summary.htm). It is made by the men who were cheated at some point of their search for a partner. As a rule, girls ask for money for the trip to visit men and start being together. The unlucky men post on the blacklist the names and photos of the ladies with bad reputations, and some of the letters. If we analyze the letters of the girls from the viewpoint of logic and skepticism, it is hard to believe in the feelings the girls try to express. If the lady does not love the man, it can be easily seen. Some letters remind one of business correspondence more than romantic exchanges. “Dear Himanshu, Write to me the a phone number and I shall call you tomorrow in 5 p.m. Moscow time. I hope it it will be convenient for you. As I can send you a copy of my passport that your doubts have ended. I looked the approximate prices for air tickets for the current month. On the average cost — 1050 $. Inform me if this sum is a problem. I think that the most simple and reliable way to send money is to put them on the account of a plastic card. Unfortunately I have no any plastic cards. But my girlfriend has a card Visa. You can put money for it.” Then account information is given. “Write to me soon and I shall call to you tomorrow. I love you your ELENA.” However, men are trapped when they forget about precautions and allow feelings to speak for themselves. “She is building a love affair and you are the king. She is beautiful, and if you don’t fall in love with her, you don’t have a pulse,” wrote one of the cheated men bitterly. “I am 46 year old single parent who was scammed by a supposedly 32 year old Russian beauty. She contacted me through Yahoo Personals and three other Russian women have also. She asks for $600.00 for visa, travel to Moscow to embassy, and hotel and food. She breaks it down saying so much for this and so much for that. Then she says it takes about 11 days to wait for visa and asks for $150.00 more. Now the first $150.00 that was included in the original $600.00 was for 4 days hotel stay. Then when she asked for another $150.00 so she could stay in hotel until she got her visa, I knew those figures didn’t work out … at all.” “If something seems to good to be true, it probably is,” summed up the man his misfortunes. Surprisingly, some men can be misled even by quite primitive letter samples copied by many girls word for word and sent in dozens, such as this one: “Possible, you can ask me, why I didn’t find a Russian man? I will be very serious, I will answer to you, that I had a boyfriend from Russia from my city, I loved him very much, but he has thrown me in last time. He found another girl, as I have understood. Also I have seen that he liked to drink an alcohol very-very much, as many men in Russia do it, may be you know about it. I don’t like this when men like to drink so much as my last boyfriend did it! I am non-drinking and non-smoking girl! Simply, I don’t have harmful habits!” In reality, an online fraud business does not teach men to express their best feelings, but it may kill the good in a person who faced this scam and experienced some damage from it. It is hard to estimate the percentage of scammers among Russian women who correspondent with foreign men, it can be only a small fraction of all women, but this spoils the reputation of all Russian ladies (despite the fact that there are many romantic and kind-hearted persons among them, and also many those, some who suffer and need real help). As for foreign men, they should learn how to distinguish real feelings from acting. For instance, the lady loving you will be ready to invite you to her country, instead of requesting money for her trip to your country. Also, you had better quit some myths about Russia, such as that poverty here is total and every person can afford nothing in her life. There were examples when American men sent money to female employees of oil companies or to a lawyer who claimed that she earned $100 per month. This can hardly happen in real life, even in Russia where the average salary reached 6,577 rubles in 2004, which is equivalent to $235.

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From Webster's on line dictionary: "Definition: Discombobulated Adjective 1. Having self-possession upset; thrown into confusion; "the hecklers pelted the discombobulated speaker with anything that came to hand"; "looked at each other dumbly, quite disconcerted"- G.B.Shaw.". It is fun to use such a discriptive term as I trundle through my day.

Comment from Wombat

Hey Jim...discombo-fkn-what ? I haven't heard that one before..but, there again, maybe I should get out more often !! :) Translation please,if there is one.

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Comment from James

Hi Wombat, yes, you make an correct statement. My point is, that once a scam attempt has been made - meaning the scammer actually asks for money - if it is a Yahoo account then Yahoo will close it if it is properly reported. This can and will discombobolate the scammer!

Comment from Wombat

I am not sure what all the fuss is about on yahoo & hotmail addys....some of my friends in Australia have these accounts,as they are "portable" as they do not have to use their own computer to check messages etc etc. Maybe we should focus on the contents/style of the girls' letters and not their addys ?? Any other comments fellas ??

Comment from James

Yes, at least Simon's comments are based upon an obvious logical thought process. Now that I look at Anon's nonsense another possible explanation is that the person who posted is associated with, or is, a scammer. A number of posts on this site are obvious efforts to try to dilute the anti scam message, or even possibly scare off someone thinking about posting a scam report. And it is very obvious that scammer do not like being posted here as it is so bad for business. Anon below may in fact have a financial interest in discouraging reports here.

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It was more fun when Simon was spouting off! lol

Comment from James

What a jerk. This is a scam reporting site, so almost no one here is seriously writing to any of these scammers. And having a Yahoo or other email account is in no way a marker of a scammer. And of course a scammer can open any number of free email account. But again, this nitwit simply does not understand. Getting email accounts closed forces the scammer to keep rotating into new accounts and - now, please pay attention knucklehead - keep sending messages of the type 'I have a new email address' or 'That email does not work now for some reason' or, best of all 'Good news! I have an new email address and you can write to me........'. Do you see the pattern here nincompoop? By forcing the scammer to constantly cycle in and out of multiple email accounts, all of the scammers targets - and again, consider this - even the uninformed marks will receive messages that are clear warning signs of a scam attempt. Now? Understand? This is how scams are identified and then reported, ok?

Comment from Anonymous

Quote: another Yahoo email account that should be reported to their abuse department for closure. Remember - they need to see the full headers of her scam messages. end quote. And then open another 15 accounts as they are free. WHY THE HECK DO YOU GUYS BOTHER WRITING TO ANYBODY ON A YAHOO OR HOTMAIL ACCOUNT!!!!!!!

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Comment from Anonymous

another Yahoo email account that should be reported to their abuse department for closure. Remember - they need to see the full headers of her scam messages.

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The poor Mum's of these girls - always getting sick and needing operations. Perhaps HIP or GHI should go into business there. Medical insurance for all.